another sound film sighting...

[Hanthx]

Rollemfilm-

Your right, they are selling the 200' loads for sound film.
Funny how I never noticed until now, been to the website many times.
They're selling the 200' cartridge loads for around 80.00 USD each, not bad I guess.
All you need is a camera that accepts a 200' load.
We should find out how old the stock is first.

Scott

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[#Pedro]

200 ft loads with and without main stripe from Germany:

When Ritter/Beaulieu Germany introduced the expensive 200 ft drive in 1999, they made a special agreement with Kodak. Kodak was delivering raw S8 film that could be load to 200 ft daylight spools by Ritter. Who does/did the striping job I don?t know. The daylight spools were made by Ritter, simply by cutting a common 16mm daylight spool in the middle and fitting the two halfs together in order to get a 8 mm daylight spool.

Now Ritter is gone and Bavaria and Wittner are buying the raw film from Kodak and reselling it as 200 ft loads on Ritter daylight spools. It is FRESH film, as Kodak is already delivering it to them. It seems, in Europe Kodak is not so "stupid" with customers as in the USA. I myself have got some great and quick feedback from them, reclaming the bad cardrige quality.

The neccessary cardriges now are (re-)manufactured and sold by Bavaria. Wittner only is selling 2nd hand stuff he can get from others. The camera conversion is made by Bavaria and is ONLY possible for Beaulieu cameras, models 6008/7008/9008, NOT for other brands! The modification includes a real sprocket drive, connected to the camera motor (and not to the friction), not an easy thing.


Editing live sound films:

I don?t like it, too, but it IS possible. You have to be aware during shooting, that you are shooting live sound. Always shoot about 1 second BEFORE and BEHIND the scene. Now you can cut 18 frames before the action really starts. When using 24 fps, its 0,75 seconds that the audience will have to wait for action after a splice. For amateur porposes this is tolerable in most cases. (With 18 fps, it?s a full second, pretty more.)

For cutting, a sound viewer is very useful, to monitor the live sound. There are also sound faders around, which allow manual soft erasing of sound that does not combine anymore with the frame (around a splice).
"holes" in the sound track, caused by erasing wrong sound, you can fill up with archieve ore external recorded field sound superimposed to the same track or recorded to the other track of the film. When putting some background music, the result seems perfect.

Professional editing only is possible when transfering the live sound to perforated tape or fullcoat, using a synchronizer setup.

Pedro

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[Jon P]

Sound film production was halted because of the enviromentally un-friendly nature of the chemicals used to adhere the magnetic strip to the film.



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[mcarter4121]

Doesn't that added sound stripe make the film way thicker? There must be a ballance stripe to keep it from being higher on one side right? Or do they grind a groove on the base of the film and fill it with mag stripe stuff? How can a striped film that is thicker go through the gate correctly?

Has anyone loaded a 50 ft. S8 sound cartridge? Can it even be done? If so, purchase the 200 and make 4 50's out of it. Yes?

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[rollemfilm]

super8sound should live up to their name and load 50ft sound carts...

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[Hanthx]

Thanks Pedro,

need to brush up on my German.

S-

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[jefury]

That SOUND DEPACEMENT RECORDER sounds so cool! I want that! And I want Sound Film now. I want so many things!!

By the way, what's a good cheap kinda separate device for recording sound - talking n' such - for accompanying the movie.
Are MiniDisc recorders good?

Jeff

[This message has been edited by jefury (edited January 17, 2002).]

[Matt Pacini]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rollemfilm:
super8sound should live up to their name and load 50ft sound carts...

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If they did, they would probably claim they invented the process, charge $100 for each 50ft cartridge, and give you the same rude anti-customer service that they always give, with no extra charge!
(They train their employees at the DMV you know)

Matt Pacini


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[#Pedro]

The former Kodak sound film was not striped, but painted. I don?t know if that is such a draw back for the environment. I think, it?s only a question of profit.

There are a lot of labs around the world, that are striping. The process is quite easy. I really cannot imagine, that there are environmental problems involved with striping. And I am really environmental-sensitve.

The main stripe really increases the thickness of the film signifcantly, a balance stripe always is the best you can do. Some projectors project a not sharp picture with that films (Bauer). The 200 ft sound film for Beaulieu drive has only one main stripe, but the construction of the drive (pressure plate) is made in a way, that focus is not affected. The stripe is located at the back side of the film, from where it is pressed. Most projector gates press the film from the other side. Therefore, a balance stripe should be added after splicing.

Reloading any kind of Kodak cardriges, I think it?s impossible. Sofisticated mechanism, glued case, light problems...

Pedro

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[dsavetsky]

Pedro: are you saying that when you project sound film taken with the beaulieu cartridge
your projected picture may be out of focus because of the missing balance stripe?
Also are you saying that the original cartridges by beulieu had problems and that these problems have now been corrected?
Its my understanding that the camera modification is to allow 9volts to be fed to the cartridge when the camera is running. if this is true how does the cartridge motor sync to the different speeds
also do you know anybody i can speak to in english who has used this cartridge
thanks
dave


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